Re: [rtl] RTAI and RTLinux

[Guilherme Nelson F De Souza <gnelson@ecn.purdue.edu>]

>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:48:04 +0100
>From: Stuart Hughes <stuarth@lineo.com>
>Subject: Re: [rtl] RTAI and RTLinux
>
>I would agree except for the fact that discussion that start in public
>should stay in public.  It seems a common tactic to take a discussion
>off the list when things start going away from the protagonists.


  Stuart, I have to disagree. Some times, people want to take it to
the private side just because they think that this kind of discussion 
doesn't belong in the list (I've just done that, this message is just 
for those more active in this thread and for rtl-advocacy).
  Most times, it's much better if people do all their laundry priva-
tely, "kill" each other, and settle down their differences for later
on, go back to the list with a consensus that would strengthen the
community, rather than create divisions.
  For that, and for many other reasons that don't matter now, I still
think that a private email is private.


>Go to http://www.rtai.org/ and read the history of RTAI.  You'll find
>that you're wrong.  It is clear that RTAI was inspired by RTLinux, but
>as time has gone on, the approaches have differed.  Personally I think
>both approaches are valid and it's up to users to decide which one they
>want to use.


   But that's exactly my point since the beginning. But it seems that 
Paolo don't want to admit that anymore. That is what upsets me, and that
is what I meant by "spitting in the wind, or on his own plate(food)".
   I never met Victor or Michael, and exchange only two or three private
emails with Victor, all yesterday. But I believe that most of their 
indignation towards Paolo comes from Paolo's attempt to deny that fact. I
would be furious too if someone took my idea, used it, and later, said
that it was his idea. Even if the idea was improved and implemented in
a different way as you say. It's still MY idea. (look at the airplanes.
Do they resemble the first one by the Wright brothers? Yet, everyone
recognizes them as the fathers of the airplane).  (I am not trying to
compare Victor and Michael to the Wright brothers or to Linus, as I was
accused of. But an idea is an idea. And if it was good enough for one to
copy it, it should be good enough for one to recognize its parenthood).


>Let's not do that or we'll end up with endless cross-posts.  Anyone who
>doesn't like a message should just get heavy with the delete button.


   I've heard that kind of argument about junk email many times, but I 
still can't agree with it. You hit delete once, twice, ... ten times.
After a while, you either jump into the discussion or you get sick of
deleting that bs. No escape. (for me a "sin" done by omission is as bad 
as the sin of doing, and I can't read something wrong, without point
it out - Even because I may be wrong, and learn from that).


>So people know what's available.  Even if you don't believe it, I
>suspect both sides take code from each other, which is actually what GPL
>is supposed to be about.  If there had not been this rivalry, do you
>think that either projects would have progressed as fast in the last
>year ???


   I believe that the progress comes from the simple existance of both 
systems. Not from the endless discussion of who did what. RTAI is a 
"threat" and a stimulus to RTLinux as much as the other way around. And 
that won't end if the lists are separated. 
   I prefer RTLinux for I recognize a greater authority by Victor and
Michael when it comes to formal computer science concepts and unders-
tanding, but other people prefer RTAI for its populistic approach to 
attack every problem that the user requests from within the OS. (Ok, 
that last sentence was biased, but that's still the truth) The fact 
is that separating the lists won't make people change their minds, but
will focus the discussions to what really matter.


>Too many list...


   You can always hit the delete buttom. Remember?   ;-)


>Respectfully, Stuart


   Best regards,

      guilherme





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