Re: [rtl] RTAI and RTLinux

[Stuart Hughes <stuarth@lineo.com>]

Hi Victor,

yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:57:40PM -0500, Guilherme Nelson F De Souza wrote:
> >    I never met Victor or Michael, and exchange only two or three private
> > emails with Victor, all yesterday. But I believe that most of their
> > indignation towards Paolo comes from Paolo's attempt to deny that fact. I
> > would be furious too if someone took my idea, used it, and later, said
> 
> What annoys me is this now persistent stream of insults, slanders,
> and thinly disguised advertising slogans. Every single person who has
> sent in an insulting post to the rtl list over the last year has received
> funding from Lineo/Zentropix and often they don't bother to mention this.


That's a little unfair.  The fact is that you have received significant
funding from Zentropix; Paolo and Pierre have never received funding. 
Do you really that these people are lineo pupets ??? if so that really
is insulting to them.


> I don't mind if people have different ideas, if they compete, if they
> dislike each other.  I do object to slanders and duplicitious marketing.
>

Please clarify, I'm not in marketing.  If our marketing guys are being
unfair to you, point me to the articles and I'll try to get them
changed.

 
> And Stuart, I hold you responsible for much of what goes on. You have
> a position of responsibility  at Lineo.

Responsible for what. I'd like to see the technologies merge, this has
always been my position and it has not changed.  As I've said it is a
pain to have to support multiple API's.


> You know me and Michael, you have used RTLinux
> and worked with us before there was an RTAI, you have had many technical
> discussions with me and I've seen some of the ideas I suggested to you
> appear, without credit, in Lineo/RTAI announcements. 

Like what. 

>And yet, when, for
> example, Karim sends in absolutely hateful posts, filled with material
> that you know to be false, you have remained silent. 

I am not in control of Karim or anyone else.  He is free to speak for
what he believes.  Is anything he has said untrue ??

>In fact, you have
> contributed to this absurd atmosphere yourself. You can't  even
> disagree with our completely legit extensions to POSIX without asserting
> that we are trying to deceive our users.

This is incorrect.  What is not legit about the extensions is that they
appear to users under the banner of POSIX, which is supposed to be a
portable API.  My objection is that these extensions have no change of
being portable as they are not supported elsewhere.

> 
> My impression is that there is a concerted attempt to
> to damage my professional reputation and I take this quite seriously.
> 

I think you are doing that for yourself.  You insult Lineo at every
opportunity, calling us sleazy etc.  Also you try to belittle the
progress that has been made technically in RTAI by dismissing it as
trivial (e.g Dynamic memory: I could do that in half an hour).

I think that you should take a look at the facts and ask yourself who is
being unfair to who.

As I have said many time, and I say again, I'd like us to work
together.  If we don't agree on stuff technically fine, but I think that
in some areas such as API consistency we can make things easier for
users.

BTW:  I think this new advocacy list is just an attempt to hide facts
from the wider RTL users.  I think they have a right to listen to the
information and make their own decisions.

Cort: if you have forcibly unsubscribe me from RTL, please put me back
or explain the censorship policy in force (if you're upset at my last
post, if was infact meant to be humorous, but possibly your all having a
sense of humour failure).  If you have subscribed me to advocacy, take
me off as I'm not interested in lobbying.

Finally: as I have always said I have the utmost respect for you, Cort
and Michael technically.  My disagreements are: 

1) extensive use of _np posix extensions which have no chance of being
portable 
2) your lack of clarity on GPL/Patents etc.
 

Regards, Stuart